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timeruinsbelief
04-24-2006, 08:52 PM
well the newly discovored polaroid process just got stranger. i found that within about 5 minutes of sticking the neg to the glass, with tools like you would use to manipulate old sx-70's, you can do SIMILAR manipulations to the 667 negative...
i know, i almost fell over laughing hysterically when i pressed the pick against the back of the polaroid and saw that old farmilliar swelling of pigments.
you can keep on manipulating the print for DAYS if you wish, as long as the processor chemicals stay wet.
this works the easiest in the lighter colored areas of the photograph at first, but after half an hour or so you are able to manipulate the black areas also.
here are a couple of examples...
note: not digitally manipulated other than color inversion and slight darkening in PS

also, air bubbles are what cause the black speckle/bubble patterns... to reduce or even eliminate these use a roller to stick the negative flat against the glass

*also...the longer the negative sits against the glass the more degraded and strange looking it becomes Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/staircase_3902.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/staircase_3902.jpg)

timeruinsbelief
04-24-2006, 08:53 PM
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Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/new_pol_process_9942.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/new_pol_process_9942.jpg)

staft
04-24-2006, 09:32 PM
woohoo! keep it going- lucas samaras should be listening!

timeruinsbelief
04-24-2006, 10:49 PM
lucas samaras?

Marv
04-24-2006, 11:30 PM
The first one is seriously spooky. This medium is a bit transient isn't it. Here today gone tomorrow so to speak.The scans will keep a record of what transpires. A true hybrid of the analog and digital.

staft
04-24-2006, 11:55 PM
sorry, trb- samaras was an early pioneer of polaroid manipulations. here's one:

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/samaras_9792.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/samaras_9792.jpg)

timeruinsbelief
04-25-2006, 12:49 AM
does anyone know if this 667 thing has been done before...

gneissgirl
04-25-2006, 02:22 AM
I don't know if it has been done before, but I know this is a great idea. There are a lot of people out there who love to do this goop manipulation, myself included. With the demise of Time-Zero film, well, you'll make a lot of people happy!
These are very cool, by the way! Keep at it! Stay up all night! (no, don't)

staft
04-25-2006, 08:40 AM
These are very cool, by the way! Keep at it! Stay up all night! (no, don't)

he's a young'un, mary- let's let him pull the all-nighters! whatever the history, keep rockin, trb- it is what you bring to them that makes them original, not any documented "firsts".

ImageMaker
04-25-2006, 03:06 PM
I've never heard of anyone pressure manipulating peel-apart films in any fashion, much less in the negative pressed on glass, until you posted here a few days ago. If you can do this with 669 or 690 (seems highly probable), you'll start a run on the pack-film Polaroids (for which most films are still available) as the "artist" types buy them up to replace the SX-70s with their vanishing Time-Zero film. I'd suggest buying up a stack of those -- even the cheap plastic-lens versions -- before doing a wide announcement and write-up of the technique. Could make a bundle reselling the cameras... ;)

BTW, it should be possible to make a printable film negative from these by photographing the glass/negative composite onto slide film, if you *want* to be able to duplicate them. Alternately, you could make limited numbers of positive copies by rephotographing with Polaroid and glassing, or even further manipulating, the negatives (which would, of course, carry a positive image, though likely with some color distortions). You can get close to 1:1 with a 100/250/350 with close-up kit, and I think Polaroid sold a print duplicating kit at one time as well, which was preset to exactly 1:1 -- you might be able to modify one of those to duplicate these glassed negatives (or you could use any 4x5 camera with a 405 film holder mounted, of course; almost all of those will focus 1:1 and it's no big deal to mark the film frame on the camera's ground glass for precise framing).

timeruinsbelief
04-25-2006, 04:25 PM
or even just print the negative immage onto overhead transparancies and contact print it in the darkroom. :) :)

ImageMaker
04-25-2006, 07:00 PM
Well, I suppose, but if you once scan it, any credibility of a limited edition is out the window. If you publish your method (negative on glass, pressure manipulation, rephotographed to get positives which are then glassed and further manipulated, after making X glassed positives, negative is scraped off and the glass recycled), you can sell them as limiteds and get a lot more for them...

timeruinsbelief
04-27-2006, 05:13 PM
from polaroid:
"Folks say it is new and we are looking into a bit more. We are
considering putting something on the site and giving you credit. But we
would like to check it out first. Can you check back with me middle of
next week. I'm swamped with other things right now.

Thanks again for sharing you innovative ideas with us.

Regards,
Sheryl

Sheryl Hirsch
Senior Communications Manager
Polaroid"

how cool is that!

staft
04-28-2006, 12:29 AM
congratulations!

gneissgirl
04-28-2006, 02:12 AM
how cool is that!

incredibly cool! Congrats! Keep us posted.

ImageMaker
04-28-2006, 05:14 PM
Nice -- that film has been around for about 45 years, and you're the first to come up with this form of manipulation. That, IMO, makes you a certifiable genius.

You fit right in around here; most of us are certifiable, though only a couple are geniuses... ;)

moot
04-28-2006, 06:22 PM
That is seriously cool! Congratulations!

Now let's hope they don't discontinue the film.