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joetat
11-18-2004, 08:50 PM
This is the camera I used for the Empire State Building shoot. Purchased the camera at a flea market. Basically I stripped the front part of the camera down to the wood. Added the pinhole (purchased from Lenox)
Added a frame to slide the shutter up and down. What can I say about the skulls, I have a bunch of skulls tattoos. I have another box camera if anyone is interested I'll photograph each step of the process. Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/resize__kodak.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/resize__kodak.jpg)

joetat
11-18-2004, 08:51 PM
another

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/resize_kodak_1.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/resize_kodak_1.jpg)

joetat
11-18-2004, 08:52 PM
more

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/resize_kodak_2.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/resize_kodak_2.jpg)

joetat
11-18-2004, 08:52 PM
last one

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/resize_kodak_3.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/resize_kodak_3.jpg)

Tom Persinger
11-19-2004, 09:33 AM
VERY COOL!
what's the last one? is that a contact sheet to the right?

thanks for the pics!

mdohoney
11-20-2004, 12:18 AM
I have a similar camera. I pulled out the lens and put in a pinhole (purchased cheaply). I thought I could use it with the shutter intact, bulb setting. Do you think it will work? I haven't had time to try. How do you know how far to wind the film? Do the numbers show in the little red window?

joetat
11-20-2004, 08:50 AM
I also saved the shutter and was going to use it however I felt the opening of the shutter was not going to be wide enough. I did drill out the hole out as wide as I could but still thought I was going to get a picture with a round hole. So I opted for the sliding door. Seeing the advance of the film is no problem, in fact it works better then my Zero Camera in that reguard. Oh yes I trimmed the face down from about 3/4 to about 1/4 in. Good luck let me know how you make out and If I can help in any way.

mdohoney
11-20-2004, 09:20 PM
I think you're right about the round hole but I think I'll try it as is. I don't have access to a lot of handyfolk skills and tools and I'm squeamish about messing up this interesting black 'skin'. Then again, the price was right and there were several left where I got this one . . . .
Thanks for the encouragement!

joetat
11-20-2004, 11:59 PM
mdohoney, the black skin comes off easy enough, the skin is held on by small nails. Once removed everything is right there, the shutter is held in with two nails and the lens is held in with a clip ring of sorts. If you keep the shutter I'm not sure where you'll place the pinhole. Don't think there will be enough room under the orig. shutter. With that said If you place the pinhole in the back( which is what I did ) you'll need to widen the front, now were back to where we started. That's why I eliminated the camera's shutter and built the sliding door. Let me know how you make out! One more thing, if you run into a problem I'm sure I can duplicate the front for you using a new piece of pine. So go for it and again let me know.

mdohoney
11-21-2004, 01:19 PM
Okay, the front panel is off (four little nails), the shutter, viewfinder boxes, lens, and all the sliders are off. I'm down to an inner 'front', used to hold the lens. I can slide it back and forth, up and down a tiny bit, but I can't pry or push it out. I think it's all one piece, just grooved and cut all fancy to hold all the bits together. Maybe I could cut it out and mount the pinhole on the back of the front panel (glue the viewfinder boxes back in and tape up all the grooves to the outside). Black tape may have to be my shutter. What do you think?
I've done pretty well with a paring knife and a pair of needle nosed pliers!
There's no turning back now, I don't know where all these bits go!
(and besides, I'm having fun)

joetat
11-21-2004, 03:11 PM
On my box camera their was a ring that held the lens in place. If you have the same use a screwdriver to pry the ring out, the lens should pop out. If no ring place the piece on a towel and break out the lens with a nail set, or phillip's screwdriver (wear saftey glasses). The pinhole I purchased from Lenox fit pretty well in the existing hole where the lens was orig. placed. I placed the pinhole in the back not the front, which was why I carved out the front with a dremmel tool. keep me posted

mdohoney
11-21-2004, 07:24 PM
Mine had the same little ring- I pried it out with my pinky fingernail (handy thing, that) and the lens dropped out. That's where I thought I would put the brass shim pinhole at first, so unfortunately I cut it to size. I realize now that the inner front panel is held in with little shims top and bottom, and it give the outer box stability. I'm thinking now to put it all back together without the aperture slider, with the pinhole taped inside the outer front. That would leave me the use of the shutter in wide-open mode, and maybe I could pare away some of the hole beneath, and some of the shutter, so more of the image from the pinhole would reach the film. Hmmmm.
Now that I've miscut this pinhole I'm going to check out Lenox. But I think I'll put it back together with tape and the one I have, just to see if it will work. Unfortunately life (job, etc.) is going to intervene for a bit here, and I probably won't be able to get back to it until mid December. Thanks much for your help, I'll let you know how it goes.

willem
11-23-2004, 06:16 AM
Please show the images it looks verry good pinni wimmi Willem

mdohoney
11-25-2004, 07:08 PM
I have photos 'of' but as yet no photos 'from' this box.
The latest plan is to leave the front off entirely and drill out the back of the old lens-space so the pinhole is as close to the shutter as possible, maybe 1/8 inch.
And it's clear that I need to clean the rust off of the shutter. I've sent you all a photo with a dirty face!
Thanks for your help. This project goes forward in stolen moments, and often in the back of my head.

mdohoney
11-25-2004, 07:12 PM
Hmmm.
Still figuring out the attach file thing. Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/crw_4061_box_cam_send_1.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/crw_4061_box_cam_send_1.jpg)

mdohoney
11-25-2004, 07:17 PM
Here's the inside.

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/crw_4063_box_cam_send_3.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/crw_4063_box_cam_send_3.jpg)

mdohoney
11-25-2004, 07:18 PM
This is what's left without the shutter.

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/crw_4062_box_cam_send_2.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/crw_4062_box_cam_send_2.jpg)

joetat
11-25-2004, 10:00 PM
Is the wood that held the shutter recessed into the body of the camera?
I believe it would make things easier if it extends beyond or is flush with the body. On this Ansco camera I'm working on I shaved the face down a bit and made it flush with the wood. I have the camera at work I'll bring it home on Fri. and and shoot a couple of digital pictures.

mdohoney
11-26-2004, 01:03 AM
It is recessed, about half an inch- the width of the front panel and room enough for the shutter and aperture slider to work (and room enough for one antique dust bunny!) I wonder if it's really deep enough to matter- if I draw imaginary lines from the sides of the film plane through the pinhole they don't come near the sides. I'm really resisting doing anything that's going to tear up this black covering.

mdohoney
11-26-2004, 08:48 AM
The plus side of overindulging in pie, coffee and family reminiscences is restless sleep and overindulging in other (photographic) compulsions! The boxcam is provisionally nailed and taped together with a homemade pinhole, loaded in my lap on the floor under a darkcloth in the darkest room in the snoring house where only the photographer and the curious cats are wakeful! Wish me luck!

earlj
11-26-2004, 10:04 AM
Good Luck, mdohoney. Go out and make pictures, even if it is gray and dark like it is here. I plan to expose some of my dirt cheap J & C Pro 100 even if it means a 60 minute exposure.

joetat
11-26-2004, 07:20 PM
Here are the pictures from the Ansco camera. All that's left is installing the pinhole. The reason I asked about the resess is that I had to cut the box to make it flush with the front, so I can install the sliding shutter.

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/one.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/one.jpg)

joetat
11-26-2004, 07:21 PM
another

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/two.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/two.jpg)

joetat
11-26-2004, 07:21 PM
another

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/three.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/three.jpg)

joetat
11-26-2004, 07:22 PM
one more

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/four.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/four.jpg)

joetat
11-26-2004, 07:22 PM
last one

Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/five.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/five.jpg)

mdohoney
11-26-2004, 10:36 PM
I see why you did that! That looks nifty. I'm guessing that the shutter fits tightly enough in the frame to stay up with no extra help. I envy your skills and tools. I was using a pipewrench for a hammer on those bitty little nails this morning. A little lazy, me. And is the brown box in the back another camera ready for pruning?
I played with a roll of 100 ASA this morning and took it in for processing today. You were right about the red window doing just fine, but somehow in the dim dawn I overshot from 6 to done. And 1 seemed to be missing, maybe because the distance from the spool to the picture-place. The fat wooden spool confused me too, I think. I really had to fight to keep from buying and playing with another roll right now, but I've got to see how this one did first. I am not patient.
But I am grateful for all the encouragement I'm finding here! I did go out on this gray day, Earl, but I'd used up my film inside already. Again, I am not patient

willem
11-28-2004, 02:17 AM
Hello very nice to see al the works in proces I like it Iam always making camera so I have to look fore a good old box last I did make a 6x9 old kodak and I put a pice of paper direct in it to look if its working and so I like the smal direct paper negtief make it + by cotact or by the scanner fore home stillives good good luckWIIIIM

joetat
11-28-2004, 11:11 AM
Yes indeed the box next to the converted Amsco will be a future project. These type of box's seem to be very abundant, Make for great pinhole cameras and best of all can be had cheap. The Ansco cost me $2.00 at a flea market. Can't wait to see your pictures , anyway I can help please let me know.

mdohoney
12-01-2004, 08:52 AM
Iam so jazzed!
The pictures were recognizeable! This is me doing dishes. It looks to me like there's plenty of coverage without drilling out any further, and with the shutter. I had the film developed (no access to darkroom right now, and that's something I've yet to learn) and scanned them right through the plastic sleeve, then inverted. They were 15 minutes each, ASA 100 Agfa Delta, I think, whatever the light meter and trusty table suggested.
I wish the darks were darker. Any suggestions? Other than Photoshop, I mean.
Now I'm wondering how I'm going to print them in the darkroom. The film holder I've been using is square. I have a mentor here that can help me I hope.
Attached files http://f295.f295.org/uploads/brownie_box_inverted_2_send_952.jpg (http://f295.f295.org/uploads/brownie_box_inverted_2_send_952.jpg)

earlj
12-01-2004, 03:22 PM
Very cool, Mdohoney. You are on your way. Be careful, though, next thing you know you will be taping black plastic over the windows and taping over the cracks in the laundry room door. Once you can develop your film, you will want a bigger enlarger, etc. etc. and pretty soon you will be robbing liquor stores to support your habit.

mdohoney
12-01-2004, 07:40 PM
I can feel it coming on!
I did notice some dark corners consistent in all three shots, and I think the pinhole is off center, maybe the coverage is not as good as I thought. Or maybe the pinholer is a little eccentric! That just means my next camera . . . you're right! There is no end!

joetat
12-01-2004, 08:13 PM
Great job!!! Keep up the good work